this is what will happen if this bill ever becomes law.

the pharmaceutical companies will start paying women to get pregnet so they can abort the baby to use for research purposes that is what the president is talking about. besides he isn't saying the research can't be done he is saying not on the publics dime

SC:

This man is an idiot. or; so I feel.

Apparently I'm an idiot too, because I have got ethical qualms about embryonic stem cell research too.

These stem cells are going to be flushed down the toilet. Put them to good use.

So in for a penny, in for a pound? Since we're creating these embryos we may as well use them, even if it's not for human life? All I can do is shake my head and wonder what happened to the sanctity of life.

Danielost:

the pharmaceutical companies will start paying women to get pregnet so they can abort the baby to use for research purposes

Umm... eww. And, no. I don't think anyone's warning against that. Sounds like you've been watching too many of them sci-fi movies.

he isn't saying the research can't be done he is saying not on the publics dime

Yes. In fact, research is best done on the public dime.

Adult stem cell research is bearing huge fruit and fetal stem cells are causing major problems in recipients. To solve the fetal stem cell problem, feel free to throw some money at it. But please don't let it be MY money.

I agree with his ban on funding but not his reasoning. He should ban the funding because the US Government isn't supposed to be a giant piggy bank for every cause, not because of the ethics of it. BUT he should do so while cutting a whole host of other programs as well.

I would agree stem cell research is equally deserving of federal funding as many other government projects. But in this case, when I say "equally deserving", I mean "not at all deserving".

Daniel,

I'm more afraid of them paying women to produce fetuses to make Soylent Green than I am of them paying women to produce fetuses for stem cell research. But in this case, when I say "more afraid", I mean "not at all afraid".

President Bush, you're tacky and I hate you

hahahahaha school of rock! The gay kid, he's one of my favourite characters. Do I win a prize?

Oh and I support stem cell research just like I'm pro-choice (not pro-death as some of my friends would call it....I think they were joking....maybe). However, I am not pro government-spend-all-my-money either. I agree with Gid, cut fundings, but not becase it's unethical. Do it because we're like, 50 trillion dollars in debt.

I agree with his ban on funding but not his reasoning. He should ban the funding because the US Government isn't supposed to be a giant piggy bank for every cause, not because of the ethics of it. BUT he should do so while cutting a whole host of other programs as well.

Gid, I disagree with you on this part. I think it's important to have funding for research that is independent of any kind of company or industry. It's a great thing to experiment with an end purpose in mind, but it's also good to research and experiment for the sake of increasing knowledge. I believe that some ideas need to be pursued regardless of the question of, "Gee, that's interesting, but how is it going to make money and how long will it take to pay off?" I think that countries that provide for this kind of research have an edge in terms of technological advances.

Having said this, I need to say that I'm not American so I don't have any vested interest in where the US government spends it's money. I would agree, though, that governments tend to be bloated with unnecessary programs and that not every single idea should be given funding.

I know that I'm pretty idealistic in this regard.

I agree with not using our money when those who can profit from the findings have more than enough to fund it themselves. Especially when they are not being stopped by laws. Bush has not made it illegal to use the embryos, only not to use Gov't funding to do so.

These stem cells are going to be flushed down the toilet. Put them to good use.

That's basically what the Nazis said about using Jews for medical experiments too (and it was just as true).  Do you or have you supported that research?

For a person that believes life begins at conception, it is the same thing.

I'm sorry did someone say something? I thought I heard a small sound, guess it was just my imagination.

we want to throw money at the stem cell research for research purposes.

but we also want to cut funding to nasa which does nothing but research and we all benefit from nasas research in one way or another.

A few people have thrown around the phrase "sanctity of life". I guess it all depends on where, exactly, you believe that "life" begins.

Is it at conception (as Guy and singrdave must believe)?

Is it when the cells start to differentiate (as most those who believe in the use of stem-cells but consider themselves pro-life believe)?

Is it when junior pops out and starts his screaming?

President Bush, you're tacky and I hate you hahahahaha school of rock! The gay kid, he's one of my favourite characters. Do I win a prize?

Yay! You win the "SanChonino's favorite blogger" prize! Your commemorative t-shirt is in the mail.

  for a moment I was about to correct that.

The federal government already funds stem cell research SC, and there is no ban on private companies doing all the stem cell research on embryos they want. The only ban there is on a federal level is funding experimenting with embryo stem cells.

Plus since you are all hot to trot about this, name me a cure stem cell have made.
name me anything stem cells have done to advance medicine. NOT something that MIGHT advance, something concrete.

I would like for you to do me a favor. Name just ONE advance in medicine that embryonic stem cell research has produced. Now I can give you the answer in one word, "NONE"! On the the other hand adult stem cell research has produced about 75 such advances. BTW...you are not required to understand or even agree with Bush's position on the subject.