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or; what will the fallout be?
Published on June 22, 2007 By SanChonino In War on Terror
B-B-B-B-BREAKING NEWS! The Associated Press has discovered that the Bush administration may be close to closing the doors on the Guantanamo Bay detention facility, de facto "home" to many terror suspects and other detainees for all these years now.

Of course, after the breaking of the story, the backpedaling begins. From the article:

Three senior administration officials spoke about the discussions on condition of anonymity because they were internal deliberations.
Expected to consult soon, according to the officials, were Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff, National Intelligence Director Mike McConnell and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Peter Pace.
Previous plans to close Guantanamo ran into resistance from Cheney, Gonzales and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. But officials said the new suggestion is gaining momentum with at least tacit support from the State and Homeland Security departments, the Pentagon and the Intelligence directorate.
Cheney's office and the Justice Department have been against the step, arguing that moving "unlawful" enemy combatant suspects to the United States would give them undeserved legal rights.
They could block the proposal, but pressure to close Guantanamo has been building since a Supreme Court decision last year that found illegal a previous system for prosecuting enemy combatants. Recent rulings by military judges threw out charges against two terrorism suspects under a new tribunal scheme.


So . . . if they close up Gitmo, what happens next? Where do these accused terrorists go? Another military facility? If so, which "lucky" place gets them?

After all, according to Condi Rice herself (of Gilmore Girl's mailbox fame), the United States "doesn't have any desire to be the world's jailer."

I feel that the situation in Guantanamo has probably done more harm for American influence and power abroad than good it may have done. And hey, Laura and Barbara Bush are with me on this, both supposedly referring to Gitmo as a "blot on the US record abroad."

So, JU, what do you think? Close Gitmo? Keep it open? Where do those people go if they close it? I'm interested to see what you have to say.

EDIT: I forgot the article link. Here you go.

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on Jun 22, 2007
Oh yeah, and Colin Powell (one of the few men associated with this administration at any point who I actually respect) called for the immediate closure of Gitmo earlier this month.
on Jun 22, 2007
Gitmo is our national shame. But closing it won't help until we close the ideologies that opened it in the first place.

In Gitmo, we've become everything our founding fathers despised. We've ignored rights they considered precious and inalienable, and forgot the respect for the rule of law that we used to cherish.

Harsh words? Perhaps. But it's how I truly feel.
on Jun 22, 2007
In Gitmo, we've become everything our founding fathers despised. We've ignored rights they considered precious and inalienable, and forgot the respect for the rule of law that we used to cherish.


Eloquent explanation of how I've felt about it. Thanks, Gid. You'll get an insightful cookie from me for that one.
on Jun 22, 2007
Three senior administration officials spoke about the discussions on condition of anonymity because they were internal deliberations.

Then maybe they should keep their mouths shut. I hate that, don't you? If they're talking "on conditions of anonymity" then they shouldn't be talking.
on Jun 22, 2007
Maybe we should have made Gitmo as secret as a gulag.  I guess that would have made us more popular.
on Jun 22, 2007

Additionally the closing of Gitmo will simply mean that another country will hold these prisoners for us. Genius idea. I am sure that they would love the tender ministrations of Turkey/Saudi Arabia/Mexico over the "torture" of U.S. prisons with our "inhuman" under-inflated basketballs. What a disgrace.

 

I am sure that after they are moved to a country that actually knows what torture is they will thank the leftist activists who got them moved and took away their American pro-bono lawyers.

on Jun 22, 2007
Oh yeah, and Colin Powell (one of the few men associated with this administration at any point who I actually respect) called for the immediate closure of Gitmo earlier this month.


Did you see his interview on Meet the Press a week ago Sunday? It was very eye opening. I think if he hadn't been there during W's first term we would have seen even more misteps. The transcript is online on the Meet the Press website if you missed it.
on Jun 22, 2007
Gitmo is simply a symbol of America's fear.
on Jun 22, 2007
Gitmo is simply a symbol of America's fear.
on Jun 22, 2007
Gitmo is simply a symbol of America's fear.


Yes, I mean really, what is there to fear from terror right?

How inexcusably silly of us to fear people who respond to cartoons, films, and knightings with murder, violence, and threats of more of both.

Come on people, just put your heads back in the sand and all of it will just go away naturally. No one wants to hurt you.

Eurasia has always been our ally.
on Jun 22, 2007
Anything other than giving foreign terrorists full constitutional rights, access to government paid lawyers, and treatment equal to a top-notch resort will result in"the world" and the left complaining. 
on Jun 22, 2007
hey why don't we just give them z visas and put them in line for a quick path to citizenship. after all they just want to be peaceful farmers and take care of their families.
on Jun 22, 2007
If they're talking "on conditions of anonymity" then they shouldn't be talking.


it could be that the press isn't really talking to anyone.

and i have the same feelings about all of these people standing up for what they believe hiding behind a mask.


if you really believe what you are standing up for get rid of the mask
on Jun 23, 2007

I don't recall German POWs in World War II being put through the criminal justice system.

There's only a couple hundred people at Gitmo and most of them were captured on the battlefield. What does one do with enemy combatants in a time of war?

on Jun 23, 2007
There's only a couple hundred people at Gitmo and most of them were captured on the battlefield. What does one do with enemy combatants in a time of war?


That's actually a huge part of the problem, whether they define them as enemy combatants or not. There were issues with: no specific country they were fighting for, no specific country we were fighting against, no uniforms/structured military, and others.

Recently, military tribunals appointed to prosecute several detainees have flat stated that they have no jurisdiction. So, we can't prosecute them criminally and we can't prosecute them militarily... and we can't detain them indefinitely (no, we haven't already detained them indefinitely; they were detained until they could face trial... which they now can't face). Like SanChonino asked, what do we do with them now? It's a question that's been bouncing around my head for a few weeks now, and I have no answer.
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