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Published on October 13, 2008 By SanChonino In Politics

My sister received an interesting e-mail earlier today which she forwarded to me, asking my opinion on what it said. While I was able to give her my response, I felt compelled to broaden it and re-post it in the name of honesty. To beg

in with, it's important to analyze the original message. While it will be difficult (since it is an embarrassing attempt at cogent writing - frankly, my five-year-old niece could do better) to re-post it, I'll do so in the name of full disclosure.

This will make you re-think: A Trivia question in Sunday School: How long is the beast allowed to have authority in Revelation? Revelation Chapter 13 tells us it is 42 months, and you know what that is. Almost a four-year term of a Presidency. All I can say is 'Lord, Have mercy on us!' According to The Book of Revelation, the anti-Christ is: a man in his 40's, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything.. Do we recognize this description? I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to post this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet. . .do it! I refuse to take a chance on this unknown candidate who came out of nowhere. From: Dr. John Tisdale
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Friends, As I was listening to a news program last night, I watched in horror as Barack Obama made the statement with pride. . .'we are no longer a Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, . . .' As with so many other statements I've heard him (and his wife) make, I never thought I'd see the day that I'd hear something like that from a presidential candidate in this nation. To think our forefathers fought and died for the right for our nation to be a Christian nation--and to have this man say with pride that we are no longer that. How far this nation has come from what our founding fathers intended it to be. I hope that each of you will do what I'm doing now--send your concerns, written simply and sincerely, to the Christians on your email list. With God's help, and He is still in control of this nation and all else, we can show this man and the world in November that we are, indeed, still a Christian nation! Please pray for our nation! Paul

Okay, now let's take a look at this poorly-written chain mail. After extensive studies of the book of Revelation in the past couple of months, I'd love to analyze it. First, let's copy the text of Revelation 13 and see what it says.

1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2:
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3:
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4:
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5:
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6:
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9:
If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10:
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12:
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14:
And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15:
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16:
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18:
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

All right. Now let's see the two highly specific details mentioned in the beginning of the e-mail - that the Beast would be Muslim and that he would be in his forties. Does anyone else see a problem with both of those? 1)Islam wouldn't exist for another 400+ years, and 2)it never mentions a thing about age in the ACTUAL Book of Revelation. (Now, maybe the foolhardy person who wrote this e-mail has some different version of Revelation that the rest of us aren't privy to - who knows?) The only thing that is true about what it says in Revelation 13 is that he would be in power 42 months. Nothing else of what it mentions in that e-mail is true.

But I love the second half of it where it talks about this being a 'Christian' nation as opposed what Senator Obama said - that 'we are no longer a Christian nation; we are now a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists'. I don't understand what the Religious Right has against all other religions but their own (most likely yours included, since it's not their brand of Christianity), but I find it embarrassing that they want to force Christianity down everyone's throats - thus cheapening all other religions and moral codes. The tripe about our founding fathers fighting for ours to be a Christian nation is a lie that has been propagated for far too long.

Frankly, this whole e-mail simply reminds me of the words of the Lord himself in the book of Matthew, chapter 15, verses 19 and the beginning of 20:

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man.

These supposed 'Christians' are defiling themselves by spreading lies and false witness. They are fearmongers, out to propagate their twisted reasoning by smearing Senator Obama. Now, those of you who know me will know that I'm no Obama supporter by any stretch of the imagination - go Ralph go, after all - but to see such lies be bandied about by these purportedly pious people is shockingly bad.

If there's one group of citizens in this country that sickens me more often and more completely than any other, it's the hypocrisy to be found in Christian Evangelicals and Fundamentalists that have driven the Republican party into the ground.


Comments
on Oct 13, 2008

These supposed 'Christians' are defiling themselves by spreading lies and false witness. They are fearmongers, out to propagate their twisted reasoning by smearing Senator Obama

But...SanCho...surely it must be alright to bend a few rules of the Bible to further political goals.  I mean, isn't that what God wants?  Barack Obama is different and was involved with another religion and how can we let a good Christian country be defiled in such a way?  God surely loves our spreading of half truths and falsehoods because...well, it's in His name isn't it?

 

Good God, I feel dirty just typing that...blech.

~Zoo

on Oct 13, 2008

to clarify the actual qoute is "We are no longer just a christian nation" which changes the meaning heavily. Other than the semantics, I agree. The fundamentlists in any religion have a tendency to represent every thing completely opposite of what their religion does represent.

on Oct 13, 2008

Oh, go on, let 'em believe whatever they want.  Hopefully, they'll get so scared of the new world, they'll find a hole and bury themselves and leave the world to those of us who believe we can all get along, regardless of what we believe as individuals.

on Oct 13, 2008

Sadly, as a Christ follower, I have to agree. 

joan of arc

on Oct 13, 2008

So what's the point of your post?  That there are religious 'extremists' out there who don't let common sense get in the way of their beliefs?  Wow, that's a revelation (pardon the pun).

on Oct 14, 2008

At the heart of the human race is a desire to know the truth, to believe in good and to find meaning for existance. As we interact with eachother in our global community, this pursuit is constantly challenged by our encounters with each other. So I think the point of this type of article is two fold.

First, to point out the hypocracy of a group who claims to be the conscience of the land.  Those who claim a "higher" calling are observed by a world searching for truth and reality to see if our claims hold up.  When we act in ways inconsistant to the claims that we make, we are called out.

Second, to weigh  or test faith.  Since our beliefs should govern our behavior so that it is consistant with our stated beliefs, lack of proper government perpetuates doubt in non believers. 

Personally, I believe that we (those in the community of faith) need to stop pretending that "those extremists" are not our relatives.  We need to take more responsibility in our churches and communities to speak out regarding those who are using megaphones to broadcast these hypocracies.  It is disgraceful that the community of faith has become so disjoint and an enigma to the world.  We should be the haven of safety and healing, grace and forgivenss, love and mercy................this is why we came to faith, this is what we needed, ultimatlly, it's what we all need.  If we do not govern ourselves, others will do it for us.

on Oct 14, 2008

Joan of Arc
Personally, I believe that we (those in the community of faith) need to stop pretending that "those extremists" are not our relatives.  We need to take more responsibility in our churches and communities to speak out regarding those who are using megaphones to broadcast these hypocracies.  It is disgraceful that the community of faith has become so disjoint and an enigma to the world.  We should be the haven of safety and healing, grace and forgivenss, love and mercy................this is why we came to faith, this is what we needed, ultimatlly, it's what we all need.  If we do not govern ourselves, others will do it for us.

 

Thank you for this most thoughtful reply.  People of faith often seem to lose their faith in the great processes of the Absolute, especially in times of financial crisis. Others seem to want people to only believe as they do. In the end, the tendency is to demonize our foes, a very dangerous and irreligious tact.  For it is then we become demons ourselves.

 

Be well.

on Oct 14, 2008

How do you know that a Chistian wrote it to begin with? Isn't that assumtion as dangerous as what the e-mai contains? I suggest you take what arrives in your inbox with a grain of salt.... now pass this post along to 12 friends and Bill Gates will send you a check for $5,000.00.

on Oct 14, 2008

How do you know that a Chistian wrote it to begin with? Isn't that assumtion as dangerous as what the e-mai contains? I suggest you take what arrives in your inbox with a grain of salt.... now pass this post along to 12 friends and Bill Gates will send you a check for $5,000.00.

If poor fools actually relayed this email, it means they actually believe it.

Same with those who received a 5K$ check.

on Oct 14, 2008

How do you know that a Chistian wrote it to begin with?

Well, if you want to be obtuse, you can claim that you can't know whether or not the original e-mail was written by a Christian.  However, certain lines from it would lead the cogent to believe that it was a Christian author.  Examples:

A Trivia question in Sunday School

Most non-Christian religions don't have Sunday as their holy day.

Revelation Chapter 13

The book of Revelation is a strictly Christian scripture - not one that is recognized by other religions.

the anti-Christ

Why would someone who is not a Christian give two squirts of owl stuff (props to you, whip) about an anti-Christ?

our nation to be a Christian nation

Again, why would a non-Christian care if this is a Christian nation or not?  This concept is mentioned an additional three times in the body of the message.

Now, you argue what you want - but it seems rather 'Christian-y' to me.  But whatever.

on Oct 14, 2008

It could have been a Christian author of the email, or someone that wanted to tug on the Christian belief system for political gain. I don't know or care. I can write a book about space that doesn't make me an astronaut. The point I'm making is how ease it is to make assumptions. Some would read it and find the e-mail remarkable and others would find it hogwash, it all boils down to what you want to believe. Me all I see is spam since nobody was willing to attach their name (as author) to the original e-mail. Brilliant detective work, but still no proof that this isn't someone just preying on peoples fears to their own amusement or agenda by using a few bible passages. It wouldn't be the first time (dis)information was passed through proxies. But feel free to blame a Christian if it suits you.

on Oct 15, 2008

What I find soooo funny when I see people calling other people the "Antichrist", and saying "we have to stop them", is that they failed a basic logic test.

First, you cannot "stop" the Antichrist (if you actually believe in it. If you don't then please ignore this post). It will come, and there is nothing you can do about it. It will rule, and it's gonna be eventually beaten.

If you say things like "Obama is the Antichrist, we have to stop him from being elected", please consider that

A- He IS the antichrist, and not a darn thing you can do can stop him, so stop trying

B- He isn't the antichrist, you manage to stop him, but you brought down an innocent.

IF YOU ACTUALLY MANAGE TO STOP THE SO-CALLED ANTICHRIST, YOU BROUGHT DOWN AN INNOCENT.

 

on Oct 15, 2008

Cikomyr
IF YOU ACTUALLY MANAGE TO STOP THE SO-CALLED ANTICHRIST, YOU BROUGHT DOWN AN INNOCENT. 

Or just a wanabe Anti-Christ.

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