Self-deprecation is worth its weight in smoldering phoenix-ashes and baby unicorn tears.
or; how do you share your message?
Published on July 13, 2007 By SanChonino In Religion
(Please excuse my lack of lucidity, I'm quite ill and drugged up the wazoo and still I'm stuck at work. Yay.)

With much interest I've read the conversation occuring on KFC's thread here, specifically concerning the Hindu prayer offered in the United States Senate floor.

For those of you who haven't seen exactly how it went down, I'm giving you YouTube goodness (or badness?) here.



Watch it.

I know that I've already asked the question "Does God or country come first?" in another thread. Most people seemed to say that God would come first, and that's fine in a personal setting. But on the other thread, Kingbee makes an important statement when he says, (and I paraphrase here) "The First Amendment trumps the First Commandment." This, of course, referring to the freedom of religious belief protected by the First Amendment versus "Thou shalt have no other gods" from the First Commandment.

In personal life, that's fine that you have "no other gods" before yours. But in a political sphere, the Amendment must, of necessity, overrule your belief in your god. Because, let's be honest - everybody believes in a different god, or believes in the same god in a different way. Even within the same religious sect, people have drastically different ideas of how and what their god is like.

Now, moving back to the video.

These supposed "Christians" are doing the exact opposite of what Christ would have them do. Have they forgotten so flippantly the Golden Rule, given by the Man himself? Treat others the way you want to be treated. Do you want your "Christian" prayer shouted down by Hindus, Muslims, or even other Christians who may not agree with you? Of course not - it's an affront to your god. But to do the same is an affront to their god, and is not, I believe, the type of behavior that the Christian God would be that big of a fan of.

Think about it - how do you share your message? How do your convert people to your cause? Is it through being a good example, leading a good Christian life? Or is it through shouting down your opponents, treating those who believe differently as somehow inferior? Because that's the vibe I get as I watch the video - these are people that somehow see themselves as superior because of their supposed belief in Christ. They're acting the exact opposite of the way a true representative of the Lord Jesus Christ should and would act. Or at least that's how I see it.

So what do you think, JU? How do you share your message? Did those who were shouting down the prayer giver have the right idea? Or could there be a more effective way to share your message?

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on Jul 14, 2007
From what little of the prayer I heard, I thought it was beautiful. We're all humans, we're all fundamentally alike, heart and soul. Religions across the board pretty much come down to acknowledging a higher power than oneself. I think that's all the nice man was meditating on, and for the well-being of all concerned. I hope the protesters were able to calm down and listen for a second.
on Jul 14, 2007
Ironic that so many Christians piss and moan about their religion being driven from public life, yet didn't hesitate to try to do the same to this fellow.

So what do you think, JU? How do you share your message?


I don't, unless directly asked to, and even then, I often refuse because most of those asking have no serious interest, they're either looking to have their own stereotypes reinforced or seeking some 'flaw' they can exploit in order to push their own religious beliefs on me.

Only when I have been thoroughly convinced that a person is honestly 'seeking' and open-minded enough to FIND will I share the message. (the message, not 'my' message.)

In most cases, all that's going to consist of is me pointing the seeker in the direction of a door...whether they have the courage and honesty required to open it or not, what they discover behind it, and what they do with that discovery is on them at that point.

My spiritual practices do not require me to gain converts, and in fact, such recklessness is often discouraged, if it's addressed at all.
on Jul 14, 2007
I can't see the video, but I get the point.

I agree with Tova. If they had to protest, I think the best thing would have been to have quietly stood and left the room.

on Jul 16, 2007
As Elvis Costello said 'What about peace, love and understanding'... And good Christian tolerance?
on Jul 16, 2007
so while i will never be ashamed of being a christian, those christians should be ashamed of themselves.

its worse knowing that they had time to decide how to handle this, and this is what they came up with.

is this kind of thing what we elected these people to do? are these people really representing us?
on Jul 16, 2007
oh, and thank you san, i would probably never seen this.
on Jul 16, 2007
And good Christian tolerance?


These days that's extremely funny.
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