Self-deprecation is worth its weight in smoldering phoenix-ashes and baby unicorn tears.

I heard this story earlier today on the radio show I listen to, and was absolutely disgusted by it. I can't believe that people still think that we should loosen our gun laws.

SPRINGFIELD, Mass. - Three men, including a small-town police chief, were indicted Thursday on involuntary manslaughter counts in the gun-fair death of an 8-year-old who accidentally shot himself in the head with an Uzi that a prosecutor said he never should have been allowed to handle.

The club where the fair was held also was charged. The fair had promised shooters would have certified instructors in an advertisement, but District Attorney William Bennett said the child, Christopher Bizilj, was supervised by an uncertified 15-year-old boy.

Bizilj, of Connecticut, lost control of the 9mm micro submachine gun as it recoiled while he was firing at a pumpkin Oct. 26 at a Firearms Expo in Massachusetts.[...]

Fleury and the club also were indicted on four counts each of furnishing a machine gun to a minor. A conviction on each count is punishable by up to 10 years in prison, up to $10,000 in fines and the loss of a firearms license for at least 10 years.

Bennett said prosecutors know of at least four children, including Bizilj, who fired automatic weapons at the fair. He added that Fleury had wrongly assured Guiffre and Spano that it was legal for children to use the Uzi under Massachusetts law.

"A Micro Uzi is made by and for the Israeli Armed Forces and is intended to meet the operational needs of Israeli Special Forces," Bennett said, noting the weapon has a rate of fire of 1,700 rounds per minute. "It is not a hunting weapon."[...]

The machine gun shoot drew hundreds of people to the sporting club's 375-acre compound. An advertisement said it would include machine gun demonstrations and rentals and free handgun lessons.

The ad also said children under 16 would be admitted free, and both adults and children were offered free .22-caliber pistol and rifle shooting.

Christopher's father was 10 feet behind him and reaching for his camera when the child fired the weapon.
I can't believe that people (that anyone) thought it was okay to put a machine gun in the hands of an eight-year-old child. I can't believe that anyone thought it was okay to put a fifteen-year-old child in charge of the machine guns. I can't believe that anyone thinks it's necessary for an average citizen needs a machine gun.
Can you imagine how that poor father feels? According to the story, he let his child use the Uzi because he had been 'assured it was safe' by the workers at the gun show, being told that it would be safer because of its diminutive size. And there he was, getting out his camera (no doubt to snap a picture of his young boy 'shootin' the gun') and instead witnessed the horror of watching his own child take a bullet in the head.
Our gun laws are an embarrassment. That we still hold these gun shows (or that we allow assault rifles and automatic weaponry to be sold at all) sickens me. We need, as a country, to seriously re-evaluate our gun laws and act accordingly. Hightened restrictions, longer waiting periods, age requirements - these are only a start to what needs to be done. Surely (just as the right to free speech or religion) our right to bear arms must contain some caveats and restrictions.

Comments (Page 4)
on Dec 13, 2008

Tova do you have a dog(s)?

No, poop scooping, hair on the furniture, claw clipping and marks on the trim, nah.

on Dec 13, 2008

If you read what I wrote carefully you will find that I was talking about people on the street, driving cars and carrying guns.

What does it really matter if you see the weapon of choice everyday (cars) or don't (guns)? How many people I think that guy is going to run me down with his unconcealed vehicle? The fact is many people probably never knows (or only shortly before) what kills them. I provided the figures for you, there are more guns in the US than drivers, yet your more likely to be killed by or in a car. I tired of explaining to you when you really don't want an explanation, you feel your opinion is correct. That's fine, but also know your twisting criteria for being able to see something, is irrelevant to me. IMO more irresponsible people have access to vehicles than guns, I don't know for sure, nor do I care. If you don't have the trust within your self to own a gun, I'll take your word for it, I won't trust you with a gun either. It simply comes to this don't let your sense of morality dictate my level of responsibility.

My Dad taught me

TMPoole you hit the nail on the head. I think in many cases this is something that is passed on from generation to generation (always exceptions though). If you respect firearms as you would any tool there won't be a problem. The "guns kill people, not people kill people" crowd will never understand. A gun is not for everyone, and I don't advocate that everyone have one. Especially the irresponsible, the mentally ill, criminals, and the uncoordinated. Some of these people will get guns, I'm a realist. Many more will get behind the wheel.

on Dec 13, 2008

 If you don't have the trust within your self to own a gun, I'll take your word for it, I won't trust you with a gun either. It simply comes to this don't let your sense of morality dictate my level of responsibility.

Oh, give the man a medal for his principled stand on individual liberty!

 

But back to the subject:

I provided the figures for you, there are more guns in the US than drivers, yet your more likely to be killed by or in a car. I tired of explaining to you when you really don't want an explanation, you feel your opinion is correct.

I asked a question that is maybe not simple, and you answered a different question. If you don't want to be "tired of explaining" something, don't explain it. Instead focus on the question I actually asked:

If I see a person driving a car and a person carrying a gun on the street, which one is statistically more likely to kill me?

Your answers so far simply don't answer that question. I don't think it's remarkable that car accidents cause more deaths than gun accidents, given how much more often cars are used. What I wanted to know whas how many accidents are caused by each per use.

Do you understand the question?

 

 

 

on Dec 13, 2008

you feel your opinion is correct.

And I think I should make something clear, before this escalates.

1. When I ask a question, I am not necessarily stating an opinion.

2. Neither am I voicing an opinion when I correct misconceptions about history (be it Nazi gun control or the benefits of armed revolts).

Also, now I am curious: do we deduct deaths nearly caused by a gun accident but prevented by ambulances (i.e. cars) from the number of deaths caused by cars for the purpose of this statistic?

 

on Dec 13, 2008

No, poop scooping, hair on the furniture, claw clipping and marks on the trim, nah.

ok I have to come to the defense of my past dogs here.....LOL. 

I've had dogs in my life for probably about 25 years out of the 27 we've been married and then always when I was a kid.  Not once did I do any poop scooping, nor did I have hair on the furniture or claw clipping marks on trim. 

First of all, my dogs were not allowed on furniture.  Second of all we lived in the country....open door, let dog out he does his business in the woods and comes back.  One of my dogs (Cote) I swore never went to the bathroom.  Never saw one bit of evidence to prove it.  He was so good about going out away from the house.  I never even saw him do the scooch thing. 

Now, I did have dog hair on the floor if I didn't vaccum regularly but there are some breeds that don't shed I'm told.   And I did have some problems with Quincy (my last dog) when it came to chewing plastic stuff like colanders, laundry baskets, rubbermaid etc.  He was a bit of a pain when it came to certain stuff I'll admit.  He was a neurotic dog like the one Marley written about in that book about to become a movie. 

I don't have any dogs now down here because that would result in doing some doggie poop scopping and I don't really want to do that.   

 

on Dec 14, 2008

Hmm, guns, eh?  I don't really mind if people have'em...wish they wouldn't be so damned stupid with'em, though.

Personally, I've never fired a gun...never had the opportunity.  Not a fan of such things, really.  They're not very sporting.  I do have several blades and blunt objects to beat the hell out of home invaders...so a gun isn't necessary if I sneak through pitch black shadows and pounce upon an intruder, violently snapping their neck with my bare hands.  

Maybe I should stop planning out all kinds of weird scenarios in my head...

~Zoo

on Dec 18, 2008

If I see a person driving a car and a person carrying a gun on the street, which one is statistically more likely to kill me?

the person driving the car

 

on Dec 18, 2008

the person driving the car

Well, wish me luck.

I'll be going home soon and there are thousands of cars and drivers out there.

Call me panicky, but if it were thousands of people carrying guns, I would stay in the office for a while longer.

 

on Dec 18, 2008

Personally, I've never fired a gun...never had the opportunity.  Not a fan of such things, really. 

Well, I have never fired a gun either. Had the opportunity but found it is something that should be done by professionals.

I have lots of experience with being near big guns though, what with my hobbies and lifestyle and such. (You know what I'm talking about.)

 

on Dec 18, 2008

Leauki



Personally, I've never fired a gun...never had the opportunity.  Not a fan of such things, really. 




Well, I have never fired a gun either. Had the opportunity but found it is something that should be done by professionals.
 

I used to go shooting quite a bit when I was in the Boy Scouts.  I found it an enormous waste of money and time.

on Dec 18, 2008

I'll be going home soon and there are thousands of cars and drivers out there.

Good luck on your trip, I dove up to see the folks this weekend. Three accidents added to my travel time. But on the bright side, I didn't see anyone get shot

Well, I have never fired a gun either. Had the opportunity but found it is something that should be done by professionals.

Give it a try sometime, that's the only way to know if you find it enjoyable or not,, like San Cho did. I promise you won't feel the need to go out and kill anymore than you do now.

on Dec 18, 2008

Give it a try sometime, that's the only way to know if you find it enjoyable or not,, like San Cho did.

Not sure if you are aware of the circumstances under which I saw lots of guns.

 

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