Self-deprecation is worth its weight in smoldering phoenix-ashes and baby unicorn tears.
or; one sad little boy defends his financial institution.
Published on March 29, 2007 By SanChonino In Consumer Issues
There’s been a lot of talk on JU in the past months about “bullshit bank charges” (most recently with Locamama’s article here) and the like. While I understand the angst that certain members of the community feel towards their financial institutions, I feel a desire – nay, a need – to defend bank practices and why they charge you the way they do.

The first and most important thing to remember about a bank, credit union, or any other financial institution is this – they are a BUSINESS, and as such, must turn a PROFIT. Even supposed “non-profit” organizations like credit unions are anything but – that’s just PR bullshit. They’re just as “for-profit” as your local big-boy bank.

But, I reiterate – a bank exists not just as a depository for your money – it exists to make money. Like any other corporation, the bank has a slew of shareholders that want their shares to go up – so, like any good business, the bank does what it can to maximize that money.

That said, it’s also important to realize that those “nickel-and-dime” charges that annoy the hell out of us all so much are not what’s turning the bank’s profit. They’re not. I promise. I work for a bank, and my dad is the CEO and President of said bank, and I’ve asked him and seen the records. Do you want to know why all those nickel-and-dime charges exist? To cover the costs of processing your business.

What the average Joe doesn’t realize is that every transaction you make with the bank costs the bank money – and quite a bit more than most people expect. Folks think that making a deposit or a withdrawal probably costs the bank a couple of cents – its not. Try about a buck and a half at the bank I work at. Yup kids, it costs the bank $1.50 just for you to bring your check to me and have me deposit it completely straight into your account. How? Well, first the bank has to pay me (and in conjunction with paying me, it has to pay for the equipment for me to use – computers, printers, secure T-1 network connections, licenses for software, etc. Did you also know that, for example, if you’re not a customer of the bank but bring in a check drawn on the bank I have to perform what’s called a “WatchDog” search on you to make sure there are no outstanding warrants on you before I can cash the check? Every one of those costs money, and I do ten or twenty a day sometimes), then it has to pay someone to scan all the work that I do during the day and send that in neat little digital packages to the Proof Department (which also comes with a lot of technology costs, because those new scanners that the Fed makes you use in order to comply with Check 21 are not cheap), where they have to pay another person to make sure that every deposit, withdrawal, and transaction balances, before sending all the check images to the Federal Reserve closest (ours is in SF). So that’s what it takes to process just your deposit or withdrawal. The same goes for when you write a check to a business – they deposit it in their financial institution, who transmits the images to the Fed, who transmits the images to us so we can process it on our end.

When you throw Debit cards into the mix, it gets even hairier. They cost a flat fee of $1 regardless, minus processing fees. So it usually costs the bank over $2 for you to use your card every time you pull it out, even if you’re buying a fifty-cent cup of joe.

What about those pernicious NSF (Non-sufficient funds) fees that seem so exorbitant? Each bank (or branch of the bank, depending on the size of your financial institution) has an NSF specialist, whose job is actually to avoid NSFs at all cost, because they end up costing the bank more than your $19 fee. At least at smaller institutions like ours, they are trained to order your transactions in such a way to eliminate as many of them as they can. But still, sometimes people don’t watch their accounts or things get wonky and that puts them in the negative. Now, with just normal overdraft protection (like we offer all our customers), we pay what puts you in the red – effectively loaning you money you don’t have. Then we charge you $19 for this unsolicited, good-faith loan. It seems pricey to the average consumer, and it’s enough to make you mad when it’s just a bit that puts you in the red, but remember this – at least they paid your debt. They were in their rights to reject the payment, putting you in a world of hurt, which causes credit problems, and can get nasty when you start getting those hired creditors hunting you down. Because remember, just like you, businesses jealously guard their money.

But the fact remains – we refund a lot of those NSF fees. I’ve only got my numbers from January of this year handy, but our branch goal was to not refund more than 2% of those NSFs – and we refunded more than 25%, because we love our customers and want you to be happy. That means we ate all those fees. That’s over $20,000 the bank just ate to make our customers happy.

Like I said, the bank is going to charge you. They have to at least break even, if not turn a profit. But most community banks like to keep their fees as low as they can, if only to cover operational costs. After all, the real money in banking is in the loan half of the equation – but we won’t even get into that today.

Needless to say, I doubt any of this meant jack shit to any of you. But I felt compelled to explain just why the bank charges you the way they do. It’s not a screw job; they’re just trying to cover costs with a little in the black. But if there’s one thing I’ve learned, there’s two things people are most defensive of – their families and their money.

And, sad to say, usually they’re more defensive about their money.

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on Mar 29, 2007
I spaced out as soon as you started saying numbers...but I'm feelin' ya. Everything costs money somewhere along the line...I suppose if you don't want to be charged by the bank you could always keep your money under your mattress.

The pug isn't that ugly of a dog...but that snorting gets annoying after awhile. It does often look like their eyes are about to pop out of their head.

~Zoo
on Mar 29, 2007

Back in the 80s, the Savings and loans tried to get into banking.  Because they were not set up to be as competive in the commercial market, most went belly up.  Since then, no one has heard of many banking failures - just a  lot of mergers, so I dont think Banks are hurting for profits.

When you go to the grocery store, the cashier waits on you, and puts your groceries in bags.  Both his time, and the bags cost money.  But that is built into the margins of their products.  They do not apply a service charge on you.

I can see where NSF is necessary.  But ATM fees?  It should be built into the margins of their profit line - or as a monthly fee.  Even Monthly fees do not piss off customers as much as being nickled and dimed to death with fees that are an ordinary cost of business and not extraordinary ones.

on Mar 29, 2007

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I won't even make you search for the link . . . I'll embed it, for crap's sake . . .



Drew, you rock.
on Mar 29, 2007
For an example of ATM fees - we don't charge you for using another bank's ATM if you are our customer, but we do charge non-customers to run our ATMs. To not do so would be foolish (besides, big banks like Washington Mutual can get away with no ATM charges for customers and non-customers alike). It costs way more than two bucks to process the card, get in touch with the cardholder's bank, and process the transaction.

In this instance, $2 is a steal.
on Mar 29, 2007
I don't appreciate them accepting point-of-sale debit charges that do so.


At our bank, it'll be refused unless you have a "checkline" loan, which is the loan where they forward x dollars to your account and then you pay it back at your leisure. Other than that, if it'll put you in the red, it won't process it. And to have your card declined doesn't cost you anything.

What can I say? We're a good bank.
on Mar 29, 2007
The forums are being wonky. Weirdness.
on Mar 29, 2007
So do you think it's fair to be charged $1 for not remembering my PIN number. What did that cost the bank?

I understand that banks are in business to make money, I just think a lot of the charges are BS. The ATM's were supposed to save the banks money because their tellers would not have to process all deposits and withdrawals.

Also your bank may not try to increase overdrafts but I have read that many banks instead of processing outstanding checks by draft number actually process them from highest amount to smallest amount to increase their profit on the overdraft fee. Or also process checks before the deposits etc.

Maybe not all banks are ripping their customers off but I think many are making profits off of the small fees they charge their customers. Like I said when you have thousands of customers $1 here and $2 there adds up to some real money.
on Mar 29, 2007
The ATM's were supposed to save the banks money because their tellers would not have to process all deposits and withdrawals.


That's actually not true. It costs more to have the ATM do it than for me to do it.

ATMs became popular in the 80's as a convenience thing. Banks started using them to lure more customers, not to make things easier on the bank. Now, they've become an institution.

On the other hand, your bank charging you a buck for not remembering your PIN is beyond ghetto. Dump that bank and shop around for another, community banks are usually best.
on Mar 29, 2007
I’ve learned, there’s two things people are most defensive of – their families and their money.


...and their pets. Don't forget their pets!

Good article, SC but I still hate banks! (and my wife works in one, lol!)
on Mar 29, 2007
That's actually not true. It costs more to have the ATM do it than for me to do it.


Kind of strange then, as one bank back here offered free checking - but only if you did not use a teller for transactions! Go figure.
on Mar 29, 2007
My bank charges $30 for an overdraft fee.

I still believe banks could recoup a LOT of their NSF's (many of which wind up being written off as bad debt because the customer effectively closes the account) with a 72 hour grace period on half the fee. Make up the balance within 72 hours, get half the fee refunded to you. In the long run it seems they would save money because they don't have to chase down the money.

Some of the fees are reasonable, some are not. When my account is at -$15 because of a $30 overdraft fee, well, then, something's fishy. Sorry.

I've never questioned the check cashing fees, personally, or even the ATM fees (don't like 'em? Don't use 'em. It's that simple, folks). But overdraft fees can be ridiculous, as anyone can tell you.
on Mar 29, 2007
I've never questioned the check cashing fees, personally, or even the ATM fees (don't like 'em? Don't use 'em. It's that simple, folks).


It's not actually that simple, Gid. I managed to get my account opened before the policy and so it doesn't apply to me, but at my current bank you are charged $5 for using the teller and $2 for using the ATM. Either way, it's certainly not free acess to my money.
on Mar 29, 2007
I managed to get my account opened before the policy and so it doesn't apply to me, but at my current bank you are charged $5 for using the teller and $2 for using the ATM. Either way, it's certainly not free acess to my money.


Ok, THAT sucks. I'd be pulling my money from THAT bank, for sure!
on Mar 29, 2007
Ok, THAT sucks. I'd be pulling my money from THAT bank, for sure!


If I hadn't gotten in before the change I'd be gone...but there seems to be a trend to it around here. Maybe it's a DC thing?

I concur though--it does suck.
on Mar 29, 2007
Maybe it's a DC thing?


Must be. A bank like that around here out West wouldn't last a year.

No bank or credit union around here has a ludicrous charge like that.
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